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Lan Fleming
1/24/2004 2:45:07 PM

Evidence of lakes on Mars?

The European Space Agency (ESA) has released a color image of Hellas basin showing a blue/green material running along the bottom of a martian channel.

http://www.esa.int/export/externals/images/ob_22_reull_v.jpg

It looks like a lake, perhaps iced-over. While things are often not what they appear to be, sometimes they are. I find the apparent lack of scientific interest in these surprising images puzzling. But one person on a Mars "anomalist" email list was sufficiently interested to find a Themis image taken 8 months earlier.

http://members.aol.com/mizarkey/hellas.jpg

The differences between the two images is even more interesting than the striking ESA image itself. The dark material seems to have substantially expanded in area in the intervening time and in a way that suggests water flooding low-elevation areas.

I'm not completely certain that the changes are real, since they might simply be the result of the differences in the response to light between the Themis and Mars Express camera, which are very different instruments. (And the Themis image is black and white, not color). But I think the apparent changes are definitely something that demand an explanation from NASA and ESA.

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Robert L. Sharp
1/24/2004 2:53:39 PM

Lan:
I also saw these pictures and they are very interesting. I know, and so do you,
that if ANYTHING is found on Mars that would twist our minds, we will never
know the truth, and will never be shown the truth, we will never be shown the
REAL pictures, or know what is found there. I am totally amazed at why there
are only a handful of people on this planet that seem to have the right to anything
technological or revealing, that it isn't to be shared with all humanity, that we are
somehow "not ready" to know. If there is any indication of life on Mars, no
matter how mocroscopic it may be, then, damn it, I want to know. We have a
right. I am really pissed off right now. Sorry.
Robert

Lan Fleming
1/24/2004 3:09:56 PM

[[I also saw these pictures and they are very interesting. I know, and so do you,
that if ANYTHING is found on Mars that would twist our minds, we will never
know the truth, and will never be shown the truth, we will never be shown the
REAL pictures, or know what is found there.]]

Robert, the ESA images are pretty "mind twisting" as far as I'm concerned. The trick that NASA seems to use is not cover-up but stonewalling. They seem to simply be ignoring these amazing Mars Express images. And they're not the first images that show this blue material. I only found out a few days ago that there were color MGS images exhibiting similar anomalous coloration taken over a year ago! So-called "science journalists" apparently operate on the assumption that if NASA doesn't say anything about unsual features imaged by their space probes, then there must not be anything worth reporting about them. Stonewalling seems to be much more effective than cover-up. They can hide evidence in plain view and people won't see it because they've been conditioned not to look.

Robert L. Sharp
1/24/2004 3:25:32 PM

Lan:
I downloaded the picture, took some time on this old Gateway computer,
but it is truly an awe inspiring one. I wonder though, it looks to me like
two large lakes at either end of a long river. And the color, wow.
What do you really think it is? It looks to me like a river with running
water that empties into two large lakes, but I suspect it is frozen water,
or better known as ice. And, how could a river empty into TWO lakes,
one at each end? Water normally only flows in one direction in a river.
Right? Anyway, it is an eye opener.
Robert

Robert L. Sharp
1/24/2004 3:40:54 PM

Lan:
I realized the stupidity of my last reply about a river flowing in two
directions. I think what happened is this: Water collected at one end,
and when it filled up to a certain level, it overflowed and ran downhill
until it collected at the other end in another low lying area, and then
formed another lake. Make sense?
Robert

Lan Fleming
1/24/2004 4:00:05 PM

Robert [[Water collected at one end,
and when it filled up to a certain level, it overflowed and ran downhill
until it collected at the other end in another low lying area, and then
formed another lake. Make sense? ]]

I thinks it does make sense. There could be underground "springs" that feed it at some points. It might be a very short remnant of a river that was once much larger, kind of like the late lamented Rio Grande that's now dried up in most places with a few trickles of water left here and there.

I don't want to dive head first into a martian lake that ends turns out to be nothing but blue-colored dirt, but the image is truly awe-inspiring, at least to me if not to planetary scientists who seem fixated on their "dead Mars" theories.

DocMoriarty
1/25/2004 3:56:35 AM

That topic was also the headline in Saturdays "Süddeutsche Zeitung" which is one of our major German newspapers. Didn't read the article yet. Sounds to me like ESA needed some success to make up for the loss of Beagle.

Regards
Doc

Lan Fleming
1/25/2004 4:33:40 PM

Doc [[That topic was also the headline in Saturdays "Süddeutsche Zeitung" which is one of our major German newspapers. Didn't read the article yet. Sounds to me like ESA needed some success to make up for the loss of Beagle. ]]

But it does look like Mars Express may really be making up for the failure of the Beagle. The loss of the Beagle was a shame. It was equipped with instruments designed to conclusively answer questions about life on Mars, unlike the NASA rovers.

Rick Sobie
1/26/2004 4:57:52 PM

Excuse me, but aren't the images colorized by computer?

The fact that there is blue in the picture is no indictation it is actually
blue on the ground on Mars.

You are dealing with people who as you say Robert, are working
on some hidden agenda for private purposes.

They are not trustworthy and for the most part they are well...

just plain f*ckin nuts.

Case in point:

from
http://space.com/missionlaunches/opportunity_lands_040125.html
[quote]
Added Squyres: "It looks like nothing that I’ve ever seen in my life. Holly smokes. I’ve got nothing else to say. I just want to look. I’ve got no words for this."

and here folks the dramtic images for all the world to see! Please, you had better
be sitting down while viewing and for you older folks out there be sure
to be wearing your depends.
http://www.space.com/businesstechnology/technology/pancam_techwed_040114.html

Never before has so much been spent by so many, for no good reason,
proving nothing, showing less, and impressing no one but themselves.
I'll bet even their wives are saying to them with axious exhillaration
"That's nice dear"


Robert L. Sharp
1/26/2004 6:16:22 PM

Rick:
I downloaded the first link, and all went well. I tried the second link you
provided, and my computer got all goofed up, froze up, had to reboot twice,
and got messages about corrupt files. So that is not good. Don't know what this
shows that old people need to have their depends on for.
Robert

dimensionalstar
1/26/2004 6:19:21 PM

Ever look up terraforming research?


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