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11/25/2003 9:19:34 PM

"The evidence that the earth is being visited by at least one extraterrestrial civilization is extensive both in scope and detail. In it's totality, it comprises a body of evidence which at the very least supports the general assessment that extraterrestrial life has been detected, and that a vigorous program of research and serious diplomatic initiatives is warranted." -- Dr. Steven Greer, CSETI (Center for the Study of Extra-Terrestrial Intelligence)

"The discovery of other intelligent life in the universe would be the most important event in human history. Period." -- A scientist

“The undeniable reality is that there are a substantial number of multi-sensor UFO cases backed by thousands of credible witnesses. In the physical domain there are many photos, videos, radar tracking, satellite sensor reports, landing traces including depressions and anomalous residual radiation, electromagnetic interference, and confirmed physiological effects. Personal observations have been made both day and night, often under excellent visibility with some at close range. Included are reports from multiple independent witnesses to the same event. Psychological testing of some observers has confirmed their mentally competence. Why is none of this considered evidence?

There are over 3000 cases reported by pilots, some of which include interference with flight controls. On numerous occasions air traffic controllers and other radar operators have noted unexplained objects on their scopes. So too have several astronomers and other competent scientists reported their personal observations. Many military officials from several countries have confirmed multi-sensor observations of UFOs. The most senior air defense officers of Russia, Brazil, Belgium and recently a former Chief of Naval Operations in Chile all have stated that UFOs are real. These cases and comments are a miniscule fraction of the total body of evidence.

Of course they do not constitute irrefutable proof. However, to state there is no evidence suggestive of intelligent extraterrestrial life simply belies the facts. Decades in duration and global in nature, there are too many hard sensor data-points and millions of eyewitnesses to ignore. We certainly can debate the significance of specific data and question whether or not it establishes a causal relationship between the observations and extraterrestrial life. However, it is only through ignorance or pomposity that one can say no evidence exists.”
-- John Alexander, NIDS National Institute for Discovery Science

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3/11/2010 11:48:54 PM

You have stated your opinion very well. It is absolutely incredible that the US government appears not to have a serious well established bureau in where to report serious FO sightings. It almost seems that the government itself is afraid that there could be someone; some civilization far more powerful then the US government with its superiority complex.
The phenomenon exists. I am a witness to that and sometimes I think very seriously that the level of UFO activity could only mean that at some point it will all become very clear. It seems to me that at times the UFO activity is so widespread that "they" whoever "they" might be care less and less how they are being detected.

A. Lesemann

3/12/2010 4:51:30 AM

Excellent post, Dave.

Unfortunately, the general consensus with the scientific community as a whole, is
that all of what you've mentioned above does not constitute irrefutable proof of extraterrestrial visitation.

I remain convinced that the scientific community as a whole, remains in denial. No
matter how compelling the circumstances are, 'compelling' evidence is just not
sufficient to risk profession and standing -- even if the totality of all the compelling
evidence seems overwhelming. And this seems true with most politicians and
governmental figures as well. Most prefer to cling to the convenient 'demand
for hard physical proof' argument, whereby if you cannot immediately kick the
tires or put it under a microscope, then it's not worth rocking the boat, so to speak.

And of course, some continue to fall back on the Condon Scientific Study, as the
basis to defend the position that there's nothing of scientific significance to this
phenom, despite the fact that Condon himself was predisposed in his views well
before his 'scientific' study of ufos was even completed. And the Air Force found
this study to be the perfect vehicle for which they could terminate their role in
investigating ufo matters.

I totally support the view that " it is only through ignorance or pomposity that
one can say no evidence exists.”


3/12/2010 10:38:43 AM

Ps. Obviously, this thread is considerably dated, but it is a good read and
very much right on target.

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