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John Wright
1/3/2004 9:18:42 PM

Robert Sharp......not a Debunker

Hey,

Sorry, I had trouble understanding what you were saying in one of your messages and wrongly interpreted it that you might be Debunker. Yes, it is true that I am a meteorologist. Degree from Purdue University. It is true that a FBI agent took me to abductees home in Puerto Rico when I lived on the island. Think it is time for our best and free government tell us the truth on the UFO & alien phenomena. I do not want to go to the grave someday not knowing!!! Would like to know why the government classified data or covered up information about Roswell, Kecksburg, and Randelsham AFB alleged incidents and crashes. Why would a FBI agent in Puerto Rico have his best friends be the abductees on the island??? This cannot all be hoaxes and weather balloons. Weather balloons can only move as fast as the wind they are in, so some past explanations of UFO's as weather balloons cannot be true. Some of these were moving too fast to be balloons........period, but then the average person on the street does not know the speed of jet streams.

I ask that other government employees open up and tell us what they know too. We have the right to know who, where, and what the UFO's are. They are part of the earths and universe's history.......I believe. I have to say that I do not have a good feeling about these abduction and animmal mutilations. These give me a sick feeling inside about what we all might be facing.....and the government not telling us.

Comments??? I do not speak for my parent agency, NWS, on this matter. These are my own opinions and conclusions.

John Wright, Meteorologist
National Weather Service

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Robert L. Sharp
1/3/2004 10:15:28 PM

Hi John:
I'm glad we cleared up a couple of things. I'm sure the visit to the alledged
abductees home was a real eye opener. What year was this, if I may ask?
Is this person safe and sane nowadays?

I really am quite tired of the same old boring excuses for everything that has been
seen in the skies and elsewhere for the last 55 years, starting with Roswell.
The old crap about weather balloons, birds, clouds, swamp gas, earthly airplanes,
and the so called mass hysteria is just bull to me. I'm sure that SOME, or even a lot
of these things can be explained away like this, but there are way too many other
happenigs that aren't earthly. One other thing about Roswell. I have heard the
totally rediculous explanation for the bodies that were supposedly found in the
wreckage. I have heard stories of the military explaining it away as test dummies
they were using. Well, if you look at the history of some of this, the military didn't even start using these dummies until around 1950-51, I believe. They must think we are
the dummies.

I keep wondering though: If there really is life on other planets, and they are
here visiting us for whatever reason, just why the hell doesn't our government
tell us so? What is so terrible about us knowing this information? One reason
I am sure of is: our government would have to admit that our skies and country
can be entered without us doing a damn thing about it. The other theory I have
is this: our government is in cahoots with the Aliens, for whatever reason, and
the Aliens have instructed our government to shut up about it, at least until a
certain time has passed. This garbage about the planet going into this MASS
hysteria if we knew the truth is mass stupidity from the government.

I would not bet the ranch 100% on this but, I would bet 98% of it. One other thing,
and It may be foolish or dangerous to say so, but, if we are indeed being visited by
Aliens, and they need something from us, why don't they and our government just
say so? If they need volunteers for something or need some sperm, LOL, why don't
they ask, and quit sneaking in, in the middle of the night and stealing it? I am quite
sure the visitors could lay some really neat technology on us, and I am sure we
might be able to give them something they desperately need. Why don't they just ask?
I believe our Fiber Optic knowledge came from the crashed saucer at Roswell.

It could be on the other hand, that our government can't do a single thing about all of
this, and are just as confused as the rest of us. It could be the Aliens are a vicious,
malevolent group of travelers that don't give a shit about our feelings, but are going
to take what they need, and do what they want to with us. I hope this is not the case.
Enough for now,
Robert L. Sharp


7/3/2004 11:43:07 PM

You can't connect sightings of UFOs with the explanations given for Kecksburg and Roswell... These are individual cases, each with much hype surounding them, and the original stories are the only ones with much credibility.

For Roswell, it is fairly certain that it was a crashed high altitude spy balloon called "Mogul". It was an extremely large balloon (hence the wide range of debris), with a 'saucer-like' apparatus towards the bottom. Its was going to be used to spy on Soviet nuclear tests.

That are many theories for the other sightings invovled with the Roswell histeria, however, it would be foolish to try and refute them all, since many of them are undoubtbly embelishments, or hoaxes stemming from the popularity of the original event.

However, some speculate that general sightings of crashed vehicles with alien bodies are either dummies, or (a more likely senario) chimps that were used to test high altitude drops, who's pods convienantly appeared as a saucer. I could image a half burnt chimpanzee (a sad sight :( ), crawling around the reckage of an unsuccesfull mission. I wouldn't know what to think if I were one of the alleged witnesses.

I don't have as much information on the Kecksburg incident, but I believe it is widely accepted to be a meteor.

If you want further verification on my claims I would be glad to present it... however, if you simply want to believe it for whatever reason, I can't help you there.


LJ
7/7/2004 1:32:04 PM

Hi John-

I fully concur that the people have the right to know the truth. There's no doubt that polls, for example, over the years have shown a marked increase in the belief that information is being withheld. And that life exists elsewhere.

It's also an understatement to say that some 'official' case explanations weren't even plausible, but were downright ridiculous given the totality of the event.

I recall a Michigan nws case, involving a weather radar observation. Although the operator was able to confirm several visual sightings, he and the radar were subsequently discredited (being that he was still technically an 'apprentice', and the radar itself wasn't designed specifically to detect such objects). Both arguments I don't buy, to this day, by the way.

So, in a sense, I can relate to why some professionals would think twice about opening up, let alone other influences. And there's many valid ones, too. The ones I detest are those who adopt a familiar 'party' line, so as not to jeopardize their credibility. Gutless wonders.

One example of the government's position is that ufos do not pose a threat to national security; however, certain information that involves them remains classified because it affects national security. Or that certain information could reveal information vital to defense capabilities or lack thereof. It goes on and on.

No, not all can be hoaxes and weather balloons. Whatever they might be, thorough investigation is the only approach.


LJ
7/7/2004 2:14:42 PM

For Robert Sharp -

Many interesting questions in your response; some quite familiar ones.

Given my perceptions of mankind today, I would still add some validity
to the 'panic' theory, though I suspect this aspect is diminishing.

However, the effects of such a revelation on the economy, the military and religion, etc... would be profound. And, would our loyalties remain to our respective countries or would we become loyal to the planet? I don't think governments are prepared to address all the residual issues.

One point I feel more compelling is the potential for military adaptation. In theory, any major government that could get their hands on the technology that's been reported would surely enjoy complete military supremacy over the planet. Literally.

And, if a side benefit to that technology were to provide alternative sources of power (say, that would negate the need for electricity and/or gasoline), what would that pose for all those around the world who work in or profit from those industries?

Nay, I would venture to say those 'in control' would not want to relinquish it.

Last, you can't reveal what you don't want your adversaries to know. Why spend another 50-100 years and countless billions of dollars trying to perfect technologies (i.e. gravity/antigravity), when it would be much cheaper and simpler to capture, dissect and reverse engineer the sources of that technology?




Robert L. Sharp
7/7/2004 5:31:37 PM

LJ:

Thanks for the response. I have been away for the last few weeks searching
out other avenues. I can only give you my personal thoughts and theories on
any of your questions, as there are others in this forum who can give you a
more scientific take on things. There are believers and non-believers in this forum.

First let me say this. And this is only a theory too. I believe that most of the people
in these forums, those that read UFO books and etc., including myself, whether
you are a devout believer in this phenomena, or whether you are a devout
disbeliever, whether you just pop into forums occasionally and post a short
message, or whether you are more of a scientific mind and can post some really
neat stuff, no matter how intelligent anyone is, or how much they think they know,
NONE of us know diddley about any of this. Just a gut feeling. I think the only people
that truly know the facts, are the Government and our MIlitary, and they are not
going to spill the beans for obvious reasons, at least not quite yet.

If you read the Roper Poll from 2002, they gave some startling figures.
I can't berbatim say what the numbers are, but I can come close, I think.
Around 80% of the population believes in the possibility of life elsewhere.
Around 67% or so, said they believe we have already been visited.
Around 87%, astonishingly, said it would not change their religious beliefs.
This figure surprised me, as I thought it would be much lower. But then again,
who can really believe in polls, are they accurate or not?
These are just a few examples, out of maybe 20 questions posed.

As far as panic in the streets, well I have always had the thought that yes, there
will be a few totin' guns in the streets and frothing at the mouth, and the rest of
us would have to tend to them and help them through their hour of freaking out.
However, if you look at the population of the US, say around 300 million of us,
and if 20% started leaping about, that would be around 60 million folks that are
being unhappy at the same moment. I guess I and others will have to wait and see!
That's a lot of people, and that doesn't take into account the rest of the planet.

I believe the reason we haven't had any type of disclosure as of yet, is because
the Government and the Military are in cahoots with ET's, and have been for a
long time. They have, and are, reverse engineering as we speak, coming up with
all types of goodies we are possibly seeing in the skies today, and others under
wrap. That doesn't account for all of the sightings throughout history obviously.

I believe if we receive technology that can eliminate the need for fossile fuels,
it obviously will put a lot of people out of work in the oil business. It is a sad thing
to see ANYONE lose thier jobs, but you know what? There have been millions
upon millions of people who have been displaced, and found other jobs in
other fields. They will just have to suffer through what many before them have.
I do have a plan for keeping some of them working though. I think we should let these
CEOs and Fat Dogs of Corporate Oil Company, USA, venture into the desert with the task of digging up all of the jillions of miles of oil and gas lines. Yes, the same
greedy, corrupt, thieving, stealing nice guys who have been bending all of us over
a GIANT barrel of vasoline for the last 50 years or more. Petroleum based product.

I don't see how this planet will ever do without some form of electricity, but we
will maybe oneday have the technology to do it without the need for oil, gas, coal
OR Nuclear. I would love to be able to see the day when everyone can drive a
solar or battery powered car without the use of gasoline.

As far as the economy goes, I don't have a clue where we are headed. I know that
this country, including the average smoe on the streets, and our own government
is in hock up to their last curl on their head. Everyone seems to be in debt, and a lot
of it. It would be nice to have an economy where everyone is treated fairly and
equally, without the use of a form of "money", but I don't know how that would be
accomplished. And I am not talking about a Socialist type of existense, although
there are some virtues in that.

Loyalty to whom? I think if there was official disclosure, certain PTB would
have to relinquish and give up the reins. I think we might become a truly united
Earth, loyal to everyone and not just a government or ruling group. We would all
have to finally oneday realize we aren't IT any longer, and band together, all of
us, the entire planet.

Any rebuttle on this from anyone?

Thanks,
Robert L. Sharp

LJ
7/7/2004 6:02:01 PM

Hi Robert -

As to the polls, I don't have specific numbers either; however, the gist of what you mention is quite true.

The last one I reviewed keyed two areas in that most of those polled, with higher education levels, now believe that 1) information is being withheld from the public and, 2) the likelihood that life does exist elsewhere.

I don't know precisely how valuable these polls are, whether or not its fair to use them in our arguments. But they tend to indicate a marked growth in these beliefs, if looking back over many years. Interesting, indeed.



7/7/2004 7:06:08 PM


Last I heard, a little less than 50% said that they believe in UFOs. Of those 50%, around 20% stated that they are of extraterrestrial origin. I believe around 40% suggested UFOs are from the imagination.

When asked if the government knows more about UFOs than reported, over 70% say yes. It seems that this question implies an extraterrestrial cover-up, but I would also answer "yes" since some of the UFO's are most likely misidentified aircraft.

However, the vast majority believes in extraterrestrial beings in the universe, although a much smaller portion believes that they are "like us".

Overall, there appears to have been a downward trend of belief in UFOs, that started somewhere in the 70s. Not surprisingly, younger people polled higher in belief of UFOs (I don't think it was necessarily implying extraterrestrial origins), while the older crowd polled more skeptically.

WOO WOO
7/7/2004 7:15:05 PM

A 1997 Time/CNN poll found that 22% of Americans believe that the earth has been visited by space aliens.

gzhpcu
7/7/2004 11:31:45 PM

Woo Woo,
You got your figures mixed up it is the other way around.

http://edition.cnn.com/US/9706/15/ufo.poll

Ice Phoenix
7/8/2004 12:18:15 AM

Only 22%? WOO WOO, what are you talking about? This is what I found:

Poll: U.S. hiding knowledge of aliens (CNN, June 15, 1997)

http://www.ufoevidence.org/documents/doc920.htm

"(CNN) -- Nearly 50 years since an alleged UFO was sighted at Roswell, New Mexico, a new CNN/Time poll released Sunday shows that 80 percent of Americans think the government is hiding knowledge of the existence of extraterrestrial life forms.

While nearly three-quarters of the 1,024 adults questioned for the poll said they had never seen or known anyone who saw a UFO, 54 percent believe intelligent life exists outside Earth.

Sixty-four percent of the respondents said that aliens have contacted humans, half said they've abducted humans, and 37 percent said they have contacted the U.S. government. The poll has a margin of error of plus or minus 3 percentage points."

Learn about REAL polls & surveys for yourselves people!

http://www.ufoevidence.org/topics/PublicOpinionPolls.htm


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