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Lan Fleming
12/7/2003 8:10:04 AM

Pre-1947 UFOs

[[Now, do I believe that there are spaceships from other planets visiting us? Well, most reports I've read tell me no one was reporting these things until the 1950s...you know when they began to make lots of SCIENCE FICTION movies.]]

Reports of aerial phenomena virtually identical to moder UFO reports go back as far as the early 1900's, including things that looked like "fly saucers," although they weren't called that. Jerome Clark's "UFO Book" gives a good description of these earlier reports. There were objects sighted by both Allied and Axis pilots during World War II that US pilots called "foo fighters."

[[And reports sky rocketed after the X FILES hit the tube. ]]

I've never read any reports that suggested that was the case. The largest "waves" of UFO sightings in modern times actually occurred in the 1950's. But the sightngs continue to the present day.

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max
1/10/2004 2:59:17 AM

foo fighters = secret nazi flying device.

Robert L. Sharp
1/10/2004 8:55:46 AM

Lan:
I don't think that shows like the X files have created more sightings because
of stirring the fantasy side of humans. I believe that people are just watching
the skies more and more today, and are actually seeing what was always there
in the first place, and have been for a long time. People are looking up into the
sky instead of staring at their feet.
And you state that UFO sightings were the heaviest in the 50's. I think there were
only a handful of them then, or at the most a few hundred. If you look at some of
the reports worldwide nowadays, you will find there are thousands upon
thousands. I might have my figures incorrect though about the 50's.
Thanks,
Robert

samuel small
1/10/2004 10:46:31 AM

I could be wrong but wasn't it right after we started testing the a-bomb in the arizona desert in the 40's when people started seeing ufos?

Robert L. Sharp
1/10/2004 11:05:33 AM

Samuel:
If i'm not wrong, UFO sightings have been going on since Biblical times.
And as far as the Nuclear testing in the 40's, it is quite possible if we were
being visited by other worlds, they might just have a keen interest in what
this Earth was up to. Just a guess though.
Thanks,
Robert

Lan Fleming
1/10/2004 11:22:08 AM

[[I could be wrong but wasn't it right after we started testing the a-bomb in the arizona desert in the 40's when people started seeing ufos?]]

People saw UFOs long before and long after the first nuclear tests, but the sightings did apparently peak shortly after the end of World War II. The Roswell incident in 1947 occurred near the air base where the world's only planes carrying atom bombs were stationed at the time. And Roswell wasn't the only UFO event in New Mexico. In the early '50s, sightings occurred in that sparsely populated state out of all proportion to its population. The region around the atomic research facility at Alamagordo NM was the site for many of them. It's not implausible that there was some connection between the atomic tests and the higher incidence of UFO sightings. Perhaps whoever or whatever is controlling UFOs was concerned, or at least keenly interested, in the nuclear testing.


Scott Johansen
1/10/2004 11:51:34 AM

I tend to agree with Robert. Reports of ufos have been around since biblical times and before. They may have become more prominent because we are becoming more and more aware of our skies and the possibilities they possess. I know when I look at the ground more I tend to find a lot of money. Likewise if you keep your head up and can see past your nose you will be much more likely to spot the unordinary. But first you must learn what is ordinary. Keep your chin up.

Scott

Sam
1/11/2004 5:04:45 AM

Now that you mention it your'e right sightings do go back as far as biblical times, I remember watching a program on either a&e or discovery about it (I only watch educational t.v) It just seems to me since the 40's they have become more popular. As far as Roswell goes..I can tell you this..It was not a weather balloon..My great grandfather was a man named Samuel F. Perkins (Look up government kite maker) he and my grandfather made ALL the weather ballons for the navy at the time and all of his balloons were accounted for.......cover up?

Lan Fleming
1/11/2004 5:32:56 PM

robert [[And you state that UFO sightings were the heaviest in the 50's. I think there were
only a handful of them then, or at the most a few hundred. If you look at some of
the reports worldwide nowadays, you will find there are thousands upon
thousands. I might have my figures incorrect though about the 50's. ]]

Robert, I'm not giving my personal opinion here; I'm talking about the results of people who've actually analyzed the data on UFO sightings over the years. See Larry Hatch's graphs at http://www.larryhatch.net/50YEARS.html

The graph at the bottom of the page shows the biggest peaks in the number of sightings in 1948 and the early 1950s. Of course, part of the reason for the sharp decrease in the number of reports in the 1960's might have something to do with the government 's campaign of ridicule and debunking, which made people more reluctant to report sightings than they were in the 1950s. The federal government also stopped accepting UFO reports after the Condon Report came out in 1968, which also could have had a pretty drastic impact since there was no longer any official agency for people to report UFO sightings to.

However, I still think the peaks in the 50's might have been at least partially due to more UFO activity at that time than at others, perhaps having something to do with nuclear testing. But I certainly wouldn't say that 's a proven fact. Whatever the case may be, actual UFO reports gave rise to the sci-fi movies about "flying saucers" in the 1950s and not the other way around, as so-called "skeptics" would like to have it.

Robert L. Sharp
1/11/2004 6:37:19 PM

Lan:
I just looked at the chart, and you are absolutely right. The years of 1947, 54, 56
and 74 were off the charts almost. Then there was a peak around 1965, 67, 69
and then in 1979. The other years were fairly low. I wonder why that is?
It could be, that during the 40's and 50's, people were perhaps reporting them
more often before the government put the kabosh on everything, although I think
the Roswell incident in 1947, was probably the biggest coverup in all history.

Also the chart stops at 1995. I think more and more people are watching the
skies, and when the charts come out for 1996-2004, there will be more of these
higher spikes. Also, people are taking more and more pictures and videos than
ever before. They may have to draw a really high chart.

I also wonder if these numbers on the chart represent all reports, or only the ones
that might be of interest, as surely a lot of reports are the so-called swamp gas,
birds, clouds, planes and a whole slew of other misidentified objects.

Thanks,
Robert


2/16/2004 5:49:32 PM

With respect to pre-1947 UFO sightings, the history of this phenomenon goes back a LONG way. The "Flaming chariot that was said to carry away the prophet Elijah and the "Wheel" described in the book of Ezekiel are classic examples of UFO reports in the Bible.


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