UFO Evidence Forums : General Discussion
Return to the General Discussion Homepage
User not logged in - Login or Register
Scott, 16
12/8/2003 6:16:31 PM


Some people question why the UFOs would come millions of light years to come visit us. Well, how do you know that they are not in our own solar system and the government is not covering it up. I am one of the most skeptic person i know, but come on now, it is so obvious that there are other life forms out there and the government is covering it up. Why, though? Why would the government blindfold us for so long? POWER, that is why. There are so many things that our government is covering up, I mean you have Bob Lazaar, and John Lear, people that really worked at S4 and they are saying this is true. How are you going to have so many creditible people saying that there are UFOs and there really not being any? What makes us think that we are the only sentiment beings out there.

 replies will be listed below this message edit

  Replies 1 - 10 (out of 21 total)

12/21/2003 1:00:27 AM

I find Lear's claims very hard to believe; he seems to know an awful lot for someone in his position. His claim that 'Venus is a planet similar to Earth' is utterly absurd, as anyone vaguely interested in astronomy would know.

12/21/2003 1:01:09 AM

I forgot to add some of his other claims - that the Cold war and Vietnam were in fact illusions constructed by the US and USSR governments so as to divert public attention away from UFOs.

Utter rubbish, I'm afraid.

12/21/2003 1:01:50 AM

John Lear is a Lockheed L-1011 captain for a major US airline and has flown over 160 different types of aircraft in over 50 different countries. He holds 17 world speed records in the Lear Jet and is the only pilot ever to hold every airman certificate issued by the Federal Aviation Administration. Mr. Lear has flown missions worldwide for the CIA and other government agencies. A former Nevada State Senator candidate, he is the son of William P. Lear, designer of the Lear Jet, the 8-track stereo and founder of Lear Siegler Corp. Lear became interested in UFO's in the summer of 1986 after talking with United States Air Force personnel who had witnessed a UFO landing at Bentwaters AFB, near London, England, and three small aliens walking up to Wing Commander Gen. Gordon Williams.

12/21/2003 1:02:39 AM

Here is the briefing on UFOs that John Lear gave recently on the Art Bell radio show:


John Lear's Disclosure Briefing

As presented on the 11/2/03 Art Bell radio show:

Art Bell: Let's say the government chose me. They were going to use me as an outlet to release this information. Let's just say they did that and they took me to a briefing. Then what John?

John Lear: They whisk you to Washington, DC, you get limo-ed to this building, beautiful building, you go up into this room. They say, 'Art, you're the guy and if you give us the go ahead, we are gonna release everything we know to the public. If you decide to go ahead, all major networks will be provided with information on all aspects of the cover up and no type of information will be withheld. Because of the deal for immunity for all participants of the cover up provides that nothing, no artifacts, no piece of information be withheld.'

So here's what happened, Art. We'll use some videos and stills. Our first UFO recoveries were in the late '30s. We made a couple in the beginning of the '40s and then came Roswell, which the public found out about. We got 2 live aliens from Roswell. One died shortly there after and one lived till 1956. And we found out so far there are 18 different alien species that we know about monitoring Earth. Some are good and some are hostile, most are indifferent. We found out that we are the experimental product, if you will, of an alien race who we never met and we don't know who they are. All we know is that the Greys are cybernetic organisms, glorified robots if you will, who work here at the behest of their employers monitoring us through abductions. We were never able to find out what the experiment is all about except that we have been externally corrected about 65 times. And they, the aliens, refer to us as "Containers." There's been speculation that the souls our bodies contain is the reason for the experiments. But nothing's been proven or determined.

Since 1938 we've lost over 200 aircraft due to UFO hostilities and thousands of soldiers in all kinds of different actions with aliens. Since that time several hundred thousand civilians have disappeared with no trace. Several thousand of those were eliminated by us because of their chance encounters with the aliens which we could ill afford to have publicized.

A slightly more frightening phenomena known as "human mutilations" have occurred on a regular basis and are similar to "cattle mutilations". In that the human or humans are taken from the street, so to speak, and returned to the same area about 45 minutes to an hour later with their rectums cored out, their genitals removed, eyes removed from their sockets, and completely drained of blood. In all cases it appeared that the mutilation procedures occurred while the persons were still alive and conscious. One of our scientists speculates that apparently the human specimens had to be alive for the samples to be worth anything. Abductions occur on a daily basis throughout the United States to at least 10% of the population.

When we were first made aware this we protested to the little grey being we had held in captivity at the YY-2 facility in Los Alamos, but a deal was struck that in exchange for advanced technology from the aliens we would allow them to abduct a very small number of persons and we would periodically be given a list of those persons abducted. We got something less than the technology we bargained for and found the abductions exceeded by a million fold than what we had naively agreed to.

In 1954, President Eisenhower met with a representative of another alien species at Muroc Test Center, which is now called Edwards Airforce Base. This alien suggested that they could help us get rid of the Greys but Eisenhower turned down their offer because they offered no technology.

At this point it became apparent to all involved that there was no such thing as a God, at least how the public perceives God. Certainly some form of computer recorder stores information and an occasional miracle is displayed by the aliens to influence a religious event. This so unnerved Eisenhower that he had "In God We Trust" put on paper money and coins and put in the Pledge of Allegiance to reaffirm the public belief in God. Shortly after this it was determined in meetings between the US and the Russians that the situation was serious enough that a cold war should be manufactured as a ruse to divert attention of the public away from UFOs towards some other scary threat like the H-bomb. It was also decided to keep the ruse secret from any elected or appointed officials within both the US and Russian governments as it took so long to vet these officials and the ruse was easier to manage if the top people didn't know about it.

In the late 1950's NASA was formed to compartmentalize, containerize, and sanitize information from all space platforms and vehicles. We sold NASA to the public claiming that all information would belong to them but they got very little and even that was highly sanitized.

Our first efforts were to keep the public from learning about Venus. A very similar planet to Earth and it's population is very similar to us just technologically advanced. We have learned a lot from them starting with the Russian Venera 1 and US Mariner 2, we made Venus look like a lead melting, volcanic surface, spewing sulfuric acid into a pressurized atmosphere 90 times that of Earth. And as often the case we over did it and we wondered why nobody asked how a parachute survived a descent into 800-degree air. We set up operations in Pine Gap, Australia to preclude any prying eyes figuring out what we were up to. We regularly eliminated through extreme prejudice anybody who was part of the operation and made the least little tiny threat about disclosure or dissatisfaction with the operation. Any space mission that included Mercury, Gemini, Apollo, Mariner, Voyager, Clementine, and all the rest. All data initially came transmitted to Pine Gap then it was relayed to JPL or wherever after sanitizing. We had a little trouble with amateur radio operators but we figured out how they could intercept these signals but we managed to deal with that.

When the Russian threat began to fade we introduced Vietnam which kept the public occupied for over ten years. The cover up and personnel to run the operation began to get bigger and bigger and required more and more money. We were forced to inflate the defense budget, which soon not enough. Then we got into the drug business which was still not enough. We were the ones that looted the savings and loan industry and Wall Street to boot. It is so out of control now most people want immunity and want out. But there is so much secrecy and so many double and triple blinds in place that it's unlikely that this thing can ever be dismantled. And even if you give us the go ahead to spill the beans to the public it's unlikely they will get anything more than "yes, we recovered a flying saucer and yes, there was an occupant" but that's all we're gonna tell ya.

So go ahead and roll the tape for Mr. Bell. What you see here are what human mutilations look like. That one was a male about 27 years old. That one is film of dead aliens being pulled from the wreckage of a craft that crashed in Olancha, California in the '50s. That craft you see over there was over 250ft. in diameter and had to be buried on the spot. That site is in Utah near Dugway Proving Grounds. The object you're looking at now is the as the Kecksburg Acorn which was brought to Wright Patt in the middle '60s. There's Frank Drake trying to force information out of a being tied down to a stretcher. He was supposedly from Tao Ceti.

These pictures you're looking at now are structures on the Moon. That's the tower in Sinus Medii and it's over seven miles tall. And that thing over there is what we call the Colossus of Oguram(sp) in Mare Crisium. We don't know what it does but the machine itself is bigger than Brooklyn, New York. Now those are videos of the domes covering the craters. As you can see, some are in a very advanced state of decay.

These are 5 second slides of the 18 different alien species we are looking at. That one there is the most gruesome looking. The guards at one facility are carefully indoctrinated over several months being shown pictures similar to but not exactly like the alien. Only when he'd been acclimatized, so to speak, of the horrible looking beings are they allowed to stand in security positions. Before these acclimatizations were done, we had two guards die of a heart attack as the aliens came down the hallway unexpectedly.

And this last clip is of the Kennedy assassination. You've heard of the second gunman theory? Well, this is the second camera that recorded exactly what happened and we had 4 gunmen. And the bottom line was that Kennedy had to go. He insisted on releasing what little alien information we had told him about and he was trying to withdraw troops from Vietnam which we were using as a diversion for the public. After Kennedy we never told any President anything. Nixon knew because he was briefed as VP in 1952. That's how we knew where to take Jackie Gleason to Homestead Air Force Base to see the alien bodies we had in storage there.

And that's about it. What say you Art Bell? Do we brief the public? Yay or nay?"

12/22/2003 1:30:08 PM

The sheer thought of there being alien life forms with the technology to reach us on earth would strike terror into the population causing mass hysteria on a global scale.
The implications of this would be horrific, rouge nations would unveil there stashes of nuclear weapons causing inturn the usa in particular to act against them, in short world war 3. Cover ups need to be practised they always do, people are in a routine in a world they know, upset that and you upset the biulding blocks of modern society.just a thought though if they are out there now then they will have already been here a long time ago. i dont put it down to coinsidance that we have created more in the last 100 years than we did in the last 5000 as a race, where did our sudden intelligance come from?contact i belive in the last 500 years. there watching us from a far like a little experiment!!!!!

12/25/2003 6:21:39 PM

you are totally right

12/30/2003 11:42:21 AM

your forgetting one thing. i know there are ufo's and i know a little bit about what theyr'e capable of. i won't go into details you probably wouldn't believe me, but anyway, if the world found out about aliens i don't think there would be mass panic...if the goverments presented it appropriately....but if a nuclear war was about to happen the aliens could easily avert any such tragedy. they are way beyond us in technology from what i've seen.

Robert L. Sharp
12/31/2003 6:48:35 PM

Hey JC:

Why do you believe that the sheer THOUGHT of alien entities visiting us would
create mass hysteria in the streets? This thought and belief has been around
for 50 years or more, and I don't see people trampling over each other. On the
other hand, if it were known for absolutely sure this was happening, and it
was officially announced to the world they are indeed here visiting us, then
I do believe there will be some fools that will ignite a few riots.
However, this is not 1938 when Orson Welles got on the radio and announced to
the listening audience that we had been invaded by Aliens from outer space. This is
almost 2004, and I'm sure that the vast majority of the population would not freak
out and jump off the Empire State Building or anywhere else. I believe our knowledge
and understanding of such phenomenom has graduated to a much higher level,
and there is more acceptance of the possibility.
After reading various polls around the earth for the last ten years especially,
the concensus is that around 80% of the population, at least in the USA, has a
belief of the existence or the possibility of it. When I say IT, I mean the possibility
of life elsewhere. That doesn't mean that all 80% outright believe in Aliens or life
elsewhere, but have at least decided it is possible. I think that the last poll I read
about it, says that approximately 60% REALLY DO believe. As for the other 40%
of the masses, they will have to obviously go through a period of "shock", and if
they flip out, the rest of us are going to have to help them through it.
I for one will not give up my beliefs in GOD or my religion. After all, I think GOD
created the Heavens and the Universe, not just Earth.
As for rogue countries flipping on the nuke switch, I believe that they will think 10
times before they actually do something as foolish as that. I am sure
they would get the word real fast, that they better not, or something worse than
Armageddon could come crashing down on them.
I am really tired of hearing about all of this MASS hysteria stuff. One day, and I am
sure it will be soon, the entire planet is going to have to come to grips with reality.
If there are a few that want to go hysterical, then so be it. Let them pull their hair
out and blow their brains out. Tough shit.
Granted, a lot of our so-called knowledge of Science and Physics will undoubtedly
go out the window, but maybe it is time we learned the real facts, and if something
is learned that blows all of our knowledge out the door, too bad. Maybe we will
realize our earthly knowledge is a bunch of crapola. So what if the Physics and
Science books have to be re-written? Maybe our little Einsteins of the world will have
to don a new thinking cap and get re-educated, along with the rest of us dummies.
The thought that we have the ONLY place in the entire universe harboring life, is
MUCH harder for me to believe, and when the day comes for me personally to know
the full truth, I will be dancing in the streets, not rioting and carrying on like a lunatic!


Robert L. Sharp

Gering, Nebraska USA

2/20/2005 11:45:47 PM

You could certainly be correct about life in our own solar system. Another possibility is they may have advanced travel technology that we haven't even dreamed of. It always amazes me that us earthlings think that the whole universe operates under the same physical laws that we experience. And we should now realize since "Bushfraud" was selected as our president (God, it almost makes me barf to say that) how corrupt our government is.

2/21/2005 10:03:11 AM

I am really open minded when it comes to conspiracy theories, but that statement by Lear was complete dribble and mind mush. The statements are huge, vague, and sweeping without a drop of data to back his claims.
Bob Lazar, though he might have actually seen something at Area 51, was not a scientist and was proven without a doubt to be a fraud by Stanton Friedman (of all the people researching Lazar's statements, Friedman wanted him to be telling the truth the most). Lazar lied about his education, background, and has little or no SPECIFIC information to give about his role in reverse engineering an alien engine.
I was severely depressed and disappointed when I found out Stanton Friedman had debunked him. I could not understand why someone would lie about a subject that people were so passionate about. Then I went to his website and looked for his video.....The Official Bob Lazar Video $19.95......I guess money is motivation enough.

  Replies 1 - 10 (out of 21 total)

Return to General Discussion Homepage



Ads help to support this site: