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We go to Pine Bush NY,about 15 times a year and never have gone there without seeing something...from vessels the size of footballs, Volkswagens to huge round ones....we have see strange gas balls too we call them, you cant see them with the naked eye but look thru binoculars and there they are, often 4 to 5.....we turned a corner one evening, 3 cars, and a ship the size of a Volkswagen took off about the height of telephone poles down the street and then turned left very fast, there were about 9 people in 3 cars, at least 2 in each saw it and saw it a bit different in size........once we were driving and I could not get my car to stay to the right, the fellow with me said ''bob get on the right side of the road, what do you think I am trying to do I asked...finally the gut behind us was blowing his horn, we pulled over, he said my car was lit up as if a search light were on it, later the next day by battery and alternator were burnt out,thre car was 3 months old, it happened again 2 months later and near the same road....we once watched as this huge white light coming from what looked to be a round ship would rise from the woods and go left and right then go down when aircraft approached, then come up. we had trouble looking at it as it was so bright, we couldn't hear any noise coming from it and it was about 1/4 mile away in a field with tree cover, we could not get to it, to dark and we didn't know the area, we all saw a figure in what looked to be the only window.......we have been going to Pine Bush for 5 years at least and always, always see things.......Robert deininger rd1064@aol.com I hate writing and cant type sorry

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I work with Billy DEE and and don schmidt who are responsible for this...ROSWELL PROOF What really happened Telegram held in General Ramey's hand provides smoking gun proof of a "disk" crash and the recovery of "the victims of the wreck" Copyright ©2001 by David Rudiak Roswell Case Overview The Public "Roswell Incident" On July 8, 1947 at 5:26 EDT, an Associated Press news wire announced that Roswell Army Air Field had reported recovering a "flying disk" from a nearby rancher's property, first found "sometime last week," and that it was being flown to "higher headquarters." The curious base press release triggered a national press feeding frenzy. Later "higher headquarters" was announced to be Brig. Gen. Roger Ramey, head of the 8th Army Air Force at Fort Worth, Texas. The Roswell 509th Bomb Group was a subcommand of the 8th AAF. It was also announced that the recovered "disk" was eventually destined for Wright Field, Ohio, home of the Air Materiel Command and the AAF's aeronautical research labs. Within about an hour of the press release, Gen. Ramey began putting out an alternate weather balloon version of the story. And about two hours later, the photo at the above right was taken of Gen. Ramey (crouched down) and his Chief of Staff, Col. Thomas Dubose (seated). Ramey repeated his story that what was recovered at Roswell was nothing more than the remains of a weather balloon and its aluminum foil radar target kite shown displayed on the general's office floor. Later Ramey brought in a weather officer to make the identification official. The press bought the change of story. Just to make sure, the Army and Navy engaged in a debunking campaign during the following days which involved weather balloon and radar target demonstrations. The weather balloons, the public was told, explained not only what was found at Roswell, but also accounted for the numerous "flying disk" or "flying saucer" sightings that preceded the Roswell events. Air Force Changes Its Story This was the official story for the next 47 years until constituents asked Congressman Steven Schiff of New Mexico to look into it. After getting what he thought was the run-around from the Air Force, Schiff in 1994 asked the Congressional General Accounting Office (GAO) to investigate, forcing the Air Force to amend its old weather balloon story. Now it wasn't just any weather balloon. It was supposedly a top secret Mogul balloon made up of multiple weather balloons and radar targets and launched from nearby Alamogordo, N.M. Three years later, just in time for Roswell's 50th anniversary, one of the USAF counter- intelligence agents involved in the earlier report issued an additional "Case Closed" report on the stories of bodies being recovered. According to him, the reports of bodies were nothing more than highly distorted memories of "crash dummies" used in ejection tests carried out in New Mexico during the 1950's. FACTOID 2: Recent attempts by several investigators using the Freedom of Information Act to get a copy of the actual photoanalysis report cited by the Air Force (but never published) has met with responses that they have no idea what became of it. Read the details of the runaround the Air Force gave one investigator as they bounced him from archive to archive for the last 3 years. Why can't the Air Force find their own Roswell report? Why do they still refuse to disclose the identify of the photoanalysis lab? GEN. RAMEY'S MEMO FACTOID 1: The Air Force claimed in their 1994/95 Roswell Report that a government photoanalysis lab which they refused to identify ("a national level organization") was unable to "visualize" any "details" in the Ramey memo from first generation prints and negative copies even after digitizing (computer scanning) supposedly because of "insufficient quality." As you look at higher resolution scans readily available to civilians from similar prints, how much "truth" do you suspect was in the Air Force statement? Ramey Message Summary -- "Disk" and "Victims" found The message turns out to be a telegram from Gen. Ramey to the Pentagon and Gen. Hoyt Vandenberg, the acting AAF Chief of Staff at the time. Ramey is providing Vandenberg an update on the very fluid situation in-the-field at Roswell. The first paragraph describes what had been found. Ramey starts by acknowledging "THAT A 'DISK' IS NEXT NEW FIND." He then adds that "THE VICTIMS OF THE WRECK" and something else (possibly just "A WRECK") had also been found near the recovery "OPERATION AT THE 'RANCH'." At the end it states that "YOU" (i.e. Gen. Vandenberg) had ordered the "victims" and/or the wreckage "FORWARDED" to "FORT WORTH, TEX." In the second paragraph, Ramey describes how the situation was being handled. Ramey first states that something "IN THE 'DISC'", probably the bodies of the "forwarded" "victims" (and possibly termed "AVIATORS") would be flown by a B-29 Special Transport or C-47 to the "A1" (personnel director) of some "8TH ARMY****" division, most likely the head flight surgeon at Fort Worth given the context. Wright Field, Ohio, home of the AAF's aeronautical labs, was to assess the Roswell crash object (possibly referred to as an "AIRFOIL"). Finally Ramey outlines how the situation was being treated publicly and how they were going to cover it up. First he assures Vandenberg that the earlier highly inflammatory Roswell base press release (referred to as the "MISSTATE MEANING OF STORY") was the work of an Army counter-intelligence team ("CIC/TEAM"), but that the "NEXT SENT OUT PR" (Press Release) would be "OF WEATHER BALLOONS." Ramey finishes with the statement that the weather balloon story might be better accepted if they also added weather balloon radar target demonstrations. This apparently was the impetus for the national debunking campaign using the devices that followed over the next few days. Click on to image to view complete text reconstruction of Ramey message FACTOID 3: In a remarkable breach of protocol, Air Force counter-intelligence released its summary Roswell Report 9 months before the GAO had concluded its investigation. Newsweek Magazine called it a "preemptive strike." Full Text Reconstruction of Ramey Memo Critical Phrases in Memo Citizen's Poll added; view phrases and vote Military Post-Roswell Debunking Campaign June/July 1947 New Mexico UFO Reports (Updated) New! Texas UFO Reports Press Reports Project Mogul & Hoax by Mogul Scientist Exposed New! Mogul UFOs Other Research -- Nellis UFO --New! Rendlesham UFO Pictorial Guide --New! 19th century Virginia alien? Notarized witness testimony form Anomalous Debris Descriptions New! Donations -- Help support this Website Added 12/1/02: Hi-res link to message scan back up. Thanks to all people who sent contributions. (More donations to support site and future research always gratefully accepted.) The Ramey Message -- What really happened Barely noticeable in one of the 1947 photos and clutched in Gen. Ramey's left hand is a slip of paper (boxed in red). Probably unwittingly, Gen. Ramey had the text side facing towards the camera, allowing the text on this paper to be photographed. When blown up and analyzed, it tells a remarkably different story of events from the one Ramey or contemporary Air Force counter-intelligence wants you to believe. New! Canadian "Smoking Gun" Documents Actual 1947 Roswell ABC News radio bulletin This page was last updated on: September 26, 2003 Contact & Copyright

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