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New Documents 'Will Revolutionize UFOlogy'! (UFO Cover-Up By Mussolini)

Alfredo Lissoni, Flying Saucer Review, Volume 46/3, Autumn 2001

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Summary: The discovery of some documents from the fascist era of Italy opens up new horizons for research on UFOs, and compels students of this subject to amend the official history of the flying saucers. Under "Il Duce", Mussolini, there was a secret government commission of enquiry, known as the RS/33 cabinet, which studied the UFOs.

Flying Saucer Review, Volume 46/3, Autumn 2001, pp. 13 - 17

New Documents "Will Revolutionize UFOlogy"!
by Alfredo Lissoni

Translation from Italian. G.C. April 9, 2001 (*Il Giornale dei
No. 353, March 2001)

The discovery of some documents from the fascist era of Italy
opens up new horizons for research on UFOs, and compels students
of this subject to amend the official history of the flying
saucers. Under "Il Duce", Mussolini, there was a secret
government commission of enquiry, known as the RS/33 cabinet,
which studied the UFOs.

The story of the newly discovered "Italian Fascist UFO files"
had its start in 1996, when an anonymous person (whom we shall
call "MR. X") began sending, to various central and local
organizations, documents - both originals and photostats -
relating to a series of UFO sightings which had occurred over
Italy during the 1930s and 1940s. The communications, which had
emanated from various regions in Italy, and even in France, were
all rigorously anonymous and unsigned.

One of the first packages was addressed to the Bologna daily
newspaper *Il Resto del Carlino*, and *contained a bulky dossier
of 34 photocopied pages covering various UFO sightings in the
regions of Italy between 1933 and 1940 - some of them in fact
reports from the Royal Italian Air Force, with the
recommendation "SAY NOTHING TO IL DUCE"!

One of the newspaper's editors, thinking it was all a joke,
assigned a reporter to conduct an enquiry in quarters that were
involved with secret prototypes (domestic) but the results were
nil, and so the material was never published, and ended up in
the waste-paper basket.

Then a second series of missives, in three different packages,
posted in March-April 1996, were sent by "MR. X" to the top
Italian ufologist Dr. Roberto Pinotti, Director of the Italian
UFO research journal NOTIZIARIO UFO (and long-term FSR
Consultant !).

These three packages contained original materials which were
examined in 1999 by the chemist Antonio Garavaglia from Como,
and were assessed by him as being authentic and datable to 1936.
These were papers and documents, and included an envelope marked
"*for the hands of Ciano*". (Ciano, son-in-law of Mussolini, was
the Foreign Minister of Italy). There was also a memorandum
about a meeting of a new thing called the "RS/33 CABINET", plus
a long letter about "*the sighting of a flying cigar over the
regions of Venice and Mestre on the morning of August 17,

This incident was graphically reconstructed on two pages,
showing a "cigar" - described as "torpedo-shaped" - along with
two spheres beside it, one of which resembled the planet Saturn,
being pursued by a fighter aircraft. It was an *original
document* - not a copy - about a UFO sighting *ante litteram* -
before Kenneth Arnold. G.C.)

The Italian National UFO Centre (C.U.N., Centro Ufologico
Nazionale), whose Secretary-General (Pinotti) had been the
recipient of the material, decided to file it away for the time
being until a deeper analysis, or fresh evidence, might be able
to establish its authenticity. A long time passed. In
particular the search for the eyewitnesses of the episode was
fruitless. The document had indicated *three names*, all of
which were now untraceable. Then finally a C.U.N. member managed
to secure the testimony of a relative, FAUSTINO V -
(unfortunately deceased shortly afterwards), but who had
confirmed that he had been present and had seen the incredible
thing flying over Venice.

And this story and the material continued right up until the end
of 1999, when "MR. X", seeing that his own efforts were
definitely being ignored and nothing was appearing in the press,
turned his attention to the "Contactee" UFO journal *UFO, La
Visita Extraterrestre*, published by the famous stigmatist
Giorgio Bongiovanni. "MR. X" sent to Bongiovanni further
material which made it permissible to arrive at a rather more
articulated reconstruction for the simple UFO sighting reports.

The first batch of material sent had consisted of a series of
coloured photocopies: three telegrams from the Milan office of
the STEFANI AGENCY (the Fascist A.N.S.A.), which gave
instructions, *on the order of Il Duce Mussolini*, to recuperate
[sic] a flying saucer which had landed (it is not known where)
on June 13, 1933. There was also a Senatorial letter describing
in detail the strategy to be followed after the craft had been
recovered; i.e., censorship of the newspapers; arrest of the
eyewitnesses by the O.U.R.A. (The Italian Government's Political
Police); elaboration of a series of conventional explanations
for the UFO (i.e. *sonde* balloons, meteors, perihelia) to be
fed to the public via the BRERA ASTRONOMICAL OBSERVATORY at
Milan; and notification of the Prefect (Civil Governor). Finally
there was also a letter advising a mysterious DE SANTI (probably
the Fascist spy Tommaso David known as "DE SANTIS") to keep his
mouth shut about the activities of the RS/33 CABINET.

Regarding this last-named body, as a result of further material
sent to Bongiovanni's "Contactee" Review, it was discovered that
the RS/33 CABINET had been a top-secret study commission,
created in the bosom of LA SAPIENZA UNIVERSITY in Rome following
upon the recuperation [sic] of the UFO. Headed by the physicist
GUGLIELMO MARCONI (known for his belief in Martians, although he
never played an active part in the CABINET, always sending in
his place the astronomer GINO CECCHINI from Turin). Among its
members the CABINET had many of the most highly respected of
Italian academics, members of the Royal Italian Academy of
Sciences. These people had been studying the UFOs, *but only
occasionally did they consider the extraterrestrial hypothesis,
being more inclined, as they were, to believe in the existence
of secret new Western weaponry*. "MR. X" did not say whether
they had also studied the flying saucer that had been recovered.
But on the other hand they had, in seven years of research,
assembled a thirty-page dossier (i.e. the one that had been sent
to the newspaper *Resto del Carlino*) about UFO sightings
(termed by them "*velivolvi sconoscuti*," *unknown aircraft*),
and had also gathered photos and films.

After Italy's accession to the Berlin-Rome Axis, by arrangement
with Hitler this material was all subsequently to be passed to
the Nazis (*who did, in actual fact, as a result, attempt a few
years later to construct revolutionary discoidal aircraft called
the V-7*).

And, furthermore, "MR. X" mentioned that the only direct
controllers of the RS/33 CABINET were - BENITO MUSSOLINI
HIMSELF, COUNT GALEAZZO CIANO, and the Italian airman General

The first batch of material sent to Bongiovanni did not however
have the result "MR. X" had desired. Bongiovanni's Review
entrusted their enquiry to the Naples ufologist Umberto
Telarico. The material got published, but with the suggestion
that it was most probably all a fake.

Evidently greatly disappointed and wearied, on September 10,
1999, "MR. X" sent a letter of protest (always of course
anonymous as usual) repeating what we have just given above
about the RS/33 CABINET, and supplying the names of some of its
members: - a certain shadowy Dr. Ruggero Costanti Cavazzani, and
also Professor Severi, Professor Bottazzi, Professor Giodani,
and Professor Crocco, all historically real personages.
Enclosed also was a newspaper-clipping about a French air pilot
who had vanished in Italy (*a pilot who, as I discovered later,
had had the misfortune to film a UFO and to have then spoken to
the Italians about it!*)

It was at this point in the story that I myself (Alfredo
Lissoni) entered publicly into the picture.

Right after the publication of the first lot of documents, in
Gongiovanni's Review, I had requested from him - and obtained -
copies of the documents. Dr. Roberto Pinotti of C.U.N. had also
sent me copies of the UFO cases of 1936.

I started to verify all the documents, on the one hand
attempting to find confirmations in the newspapers of the time
and in the archives of organizations presumably involved, and on
the other hand trying to discover an absolutely top expert,
"*super partes*" (i.e. not involved) - a person knowing
absolutely nothing whatsoever about Ufology, and have him
analyze the original documents containing sketches of UFOs.
This research work lasted several months, and in the meantime I
started to publish my initial results in Bongiovanni's Review (a
matter of formal correctness, as he had supplied me with a part
of the material) and Pinotti's journal, and on the Internet.

The first conclusions reached by me as I talked with historians
of the Fascist Era, and after a close examination of the
publications issued in that year (i.e. presumably 1936, G.C.)
was that the scenario evoked by "MR. X" was certainly *far from
looking "unreal"*.

In the first place, it has come to light that ever since the end
of the Thirties a German aircraft designer named NORDUNG had
been attempting to build a "solar" flying disc to be sent out
into Space - subsequently re-baptized as the "flying wheel", and
so it is no wonder if the Italian Fascists, finding themselves
confronted with a UFO, should have opted for the explanation
that it was a secret weapon!

The "*conspiracy of silence*" imposed upon the affair of the
crashed UFO in Italy was subsequently demonstrated by the
various articles put out in the entire Italian press (and quite
particularly in the newspapers of Lombardy, which I personally
think was the area involved in the episode). These articles
embraced such things as changes of many political leaders,
sudden moves of Fascist Blackshirts for no known reason, and
even an improvised sudden visit by the Queen of Milan.
Furthermore a mass of contradictory reports about the existence
of life on other planets, suddenly published, after the recovery
of the saucer, in many newspapers ranging from the *Gronaca
Prealpino* to the *Italia*; from the *Balilla* to *L'Italiano*;
all declaring that there was already telepathic communication
with Martians (for such is what the "Aliens" were at the time
reputed to be).

Nobody made any explicit reference to happenings in Lombardy,
but in all of the papers, all at once, was infiltrated the
suspicion that extraterrestrial life might exist. All of which
looked like just one more hidden propaganda operation on the
part of the Government - *maybe as preparation for some official
admission (which of course never happened)*.

Numerous indeed were the sudden changes and switches around of
persons during those days. Pietro Bruno, the Prefect (Civil
Governor) of Milan, was suddenly "promoted and transferred", and
replaced by Gaetano Laino. The *Questore* (Chief Constable) was
also changed. Erminio Brusa, the *Federale* (what is this post?
G.C.) was moved, and replaced by Rinco Parenti. Although it has
not been possible for me - at this distance of 70 years! - to
find eyewitnesses of those events who were still living, I think
I did find an indirect confirmation of the landing (or maybe of
the *crash*) of the flying saucer - in a news item in the
newspaper *Domenica del Corriere* of July 4, 1937. Ably
camouflaged, this spoke of an *enormous and brilliant flash of
lightning which, one night, had injured five pedestrians (on the
road between Magenta and Novara*".

Researches in other archives proved less successful.
Unfortunately a large part of the historical archives of the
period are lost, but in the archives of the *Prefettura* (Civil
Governor's office) of Milan I found two bundles of telegrams
sent to the Prefettura during the years from 1933 to 1938, and
referring to mysterious overflights of aircraft in the skies of
Italy. Of about 500 documents, 68 are particularly strange,
*and at least 9 are strictly about UFOs. This shows the
interest that the Fascists took in what they termed "velivoli
non identificabili" ("unidentifiable aircraft")*. There were
also constant references to the existence of a "network"
(*rete*) for the gathering of reports. I have also managed to
learn of the documented existence of an R.S. SECTION (RESEARCH
AND ESPIONAGE SECTION) created inside the Fascist Government's
SECRET SERVICE, *and interested in UFOs*, and, presumably,
identifiable as being, in fact, the "RS/33 CABINET".

The first person to speak of it, away back in 1978, was one of
our own staff on this journal (GIORNALE DEI MISTERI), the
scholar MARCELLO COPPETTI who was a trusted friend of Italian
Defence Minister LEGORIO, and who was also a supporter of the
thesis (so dear to the RS/33 CABINET) that UFOs were secret
terrestrial weapons.

When Bongiovanni also published *my* conclusions (totally
different from those of Telarico) "MR. X", on November 22, 1999,
sent me yet further material: a sheet headed "CAMERA DEI
DEPUTATI (CHAMBER OF DEPUTIES), containing the day's agenda for
a meeting between Il Duce and the RS/33 CABINET, during which -
as I have learned - the 1936 UFO sighting was disclosed. There
was also a Stefani Agency message instructing a mysterious
person named Alfredo to hold his tongue about the CABINET's
activities, and mentioning a mysterious Signor Moretti,
personally involved in the matter, of whom "it was better not to
speak", because "a similar case had ended up being confined in a
mental hospital".

The "Moretti" trail led me to the Varese region. My hypothesis
is in fact that the saucer recovered in 1933 had been hidden in
one of the nearest and most discrete hangars in that region -
namely the hangars of the aeronautical establishments of the
Siai Marchetti at Vergiate or of the Sesto Calende in the Varese
region of Ticino which at that date were under the control of
General Italo Balbo (indicated by "MR. X" as a member of the
RS/33 CABINET). The "Varese trail" had been suggested to me
through several clues: namely that the messages about recovery
of the UFO came from the nearby Telegraphic Office of Milan:
that in those very days Blackshirts were suddenly dispatched to
that region; that indeed a Varese newspaper, the *Cronaca
Prealpina*, of June 20, 1933, gave the first report, emphasising
that forms of life on Mars were in contact with men of Earth -
almost as it were a matter of official revelation; that at the
Marchetti at Sesto there was a Director with the name of
Moretti; and that at the time of the Italian Social Republic, it
was precisely a man named Moretti who having gone over to the
Resistance, had set fire to the hangars at Vergiate (which maybe
were guarding some unmentionable Space secret). And, finally,
that, when the War was over, the U.S. Air Force and members of
the Nazi Secret Service were infiltrated precisely into Sesto
Calende, simultaneously with "voices" (i.e. rumours? G.C.)
regarding the presence of terrestrial flying saucers kept at
Vergiate, and that the entire region, from time immemorial, was
at the centre of a most intense ufological activity - to such a
degree that it gained the sobriquet of being "The Ticino

On October 9, 2000, "MR. X" contacted me via a letter which he
had sent to Dr. Roberto Pinotti, and suggested me as a unique
and privileged interlocutor. In this letter "MR. X", who had
read my work on the Internet, *admitted to me that he has in his
possession a handwritten memorandum by one of the actual members
of RS/33 CABINET. He said it was written by one of his own
relatives whose effects had come down to him*. He said
furthermore that the RS/33 CABINET had continued to work right
up to the time of the Italian Social Republic, the period in
which a part of the documentation on UFOs, in several sealed
boxes, had been sent to Berlin, while a part - "a not irrelevant
part" - remained in Italy. And, in this latest consignment of
material, he included copies of new documents which - so he said
- demonstrated the existence of agreements between Hitler and
Mussolini for the study of alien technology, agreements that had
been made in 1938; these documents were: an Agency Stefani
message from Florence containing an interview with the Fuhrer
Hitler when he was visiting Italy; a banknote of the nominal
value of a million Lire (maybe "black funds of the RS/33
CABINET); minutes regarding the oath of secrecy given by the
professors who collaborated with the Fascist Government; an
invitation (registered) to Benito and Rachele Mussolini to Villa
Torlonia (said by "MR. X" to be for a "riunione riservatissima
dedicada al Gabinetto RS/33" - "*an extremely private meeting
dedicated to the RS/33 CABINET*"). [ NOTE BY G.C. Here the word
"riservatissima" can be taken as the equivalent of our term "TOP

Our anonymous sender of these documents, who declares that he is
not so much interested in Ufology as in adhering to a true and
veracious reconstruction of the facts of the 1930s - 1940s
period, added furthermore that according to the compiler of the
memorandum held by him (and humorously "rebaptized" as
"PROFESSOR Y") a section of the O.V.R.A. (The Fascist Political
Police) was suspected of acting in agreement with the Nazis,
secretly furnishing material to them, maybe in the shape of
something to do with a weapon that would employ "*natural
forces*" "*of a possibly electromagnetic nature*". There is no
need to add that this last detail brings back to mind Marconi's
studies of a fantastic *death ray*, which, so Mussolini said,
had one day, by remote control, halted all automobile and
aircraft engines as far away as Ostia - a weapon which, by
virtue of 1938 agreements between Mussolini and Hitler, would
evidently reappear in the following year at Essen, Germany,
causing a *total blackout* of the city according to the account
given by the American ufologist Leonard Stringfield in his book
UFO SIEGE (1977), quoting as his source, a rather reliable
person, namely a son of the U.S. Secretary of State for Foreign
Affairs who had worked in Germany for the U.S. Secret Service.
[Names, please? - TWC]

Had the Fascists and the Nazis managed to achieve any "back-
engineering" from the UFO of 1933? The historical
reconstruction given above would seem to suggest so. But in
that case, *what became of that work*? Did it get lost in the
bombardments and air-raids? Or did the Americans and the
Russians get hold of it but without succeeding in perfecting it,
as they did with the V7?

Questions destined to remain unanswered, but this business of
the Fascist UFO Files nevertheless has a very special

(1) The UFOs are not, as some sceptics maintain, a socio-
psychological myth, the fruit of the anxieties of the Post-War
Era. (2) "State Ufology", that is to say Governmental Ufology,
compiled and written by governmental and secretive commissions
and orchestrated via operations aimed on the one hand to
discredit and at the same time to "back-engineer" from alien



"I have shown a lot of the material now in my possession to a
lawyer, under the strict legal conditions of confidentiality.
His view was that I should disclose nothing, and that if I
myself did desire to "open up a chink" I must do it in the
strictest anonymity - and that would have to be not merely to
protect myself from the typically Italian habit of lashing out
and attacking folk all over the place, *but also indeed in order
not to endanger my own life*.

I have in my possession collateral material of the RS/33 CABINET
and - what is much more important - I have a Memorandum - in his
own handwriting - by one of the actual members of the RS/33
CABINET and (*yes! you have guessed it! - he was a relative of
mine!*). This Memorandum deals at great length with the
origins, the activities, the results, and the entire background
of the whole affair in an autobiographical narrative, as a
souvenir for future times".

This piece of historical remembrance is indeed likely to bring
about a reconsideration of much of the past history of Ufology.
As a start, for example, note Mussolini's famous speech to the
Federation of Fascist Combatants on February 23, 1941:

"The United States are far more likely to be invaded, not by the
soldiers of the Axis, but by the not very well known but pretty
warlike inhabitants of the planet Mars, who will come down out
of Space in their unimaginable flying fortresses".



Like myself, Galeazzo Ciano, Count of Corellazzo, had served in
various diplomatic posts in China. At first he had been the
Italian Consul in Shanghai, as I was also H.M. Consul there a
little later. Subsequently in 1935/36, when he was in charge of
the Italian Embassy in Beijing, I frequently had the pleasure of
being among the guests at brilliant diplomatic gatherings and
receptions hosted by him and his wife Edda, Mussolini's
daughter, as I was in our own Embassy near by. I found them a
pleasant and highly civilized couple. Ciano had started by
being an enthusiastic Fascist and supporter of Mussolini's
general political and social programme, and Daddy-in-law Musso
called him home in 1936, to be promoted to Foreign Minister
straight away. But Ciano strongly opposed the alliance with
Hitler and began to show this openly in 1942, and he was one of
those who deposed Mussolini. As a result, Musso's supporters
rallied and were able to execute Ciano in 1943. As folk would
no doubt say, 'way down in Mississippi,' "that poor man sure got
into the wrong war!". G.C.


When you think of all the fuss and palaver and backbiting that
is still going on today in the U.S.A. about "MJ-12" and
"Roswell", you may well experience a fresh cold shudder running
up and down your spine. But *is* it likely to be an exact re-
play of all that?

I had not previously heard of Signor Alfredo Lissoni, but the
journal in which he writes is the GIORNALE DEI MISTERI (JOURNAL
OF MYSTERIES) an excellent publication on the best of terms with
us at FSR and with whom we have long exchanged journals. It is
more or less a sort of Italian combined version of our own
journal of Psychical Research, Fortean Magazine, Nexus, FSR,
etc., etc. And Dr. Roberto Pinotti, who is also heavily
involved in this new mystery, is quite unquestionably the doyen
and expert leader of all UFO research in Italy, *as well as
FSR's long-standing Italian Consultant*.

And evidently Dr. Pinotti, like Alfredo Lissoni, feels confident
that "there is enough smoke here for us to expect to find fire
in the end".

Such is also my own conclusion. Everything said in Lissoni's
article seems to me thoroughly and totally plausible. If, at
the end of the 1930s, the Italians were beginning to hear of
German experiments with disc-shaped aircraft (which we do know
existed and which certainly *were* test-flown), then is it
surprising that many Italian scientists may well have suspected
that any weird craft seen flying over Italy in the years from
1933 to 1936 might well also have been *German*? And then
later, during WWII, they might logically have suspected that
they were seeing "secret weapons of the enemy Allies"?

And is it in any way surprising? For "Musso" himself was a keen
flier, and held a pilot's licence. Who else among the leaders
in WWII did that?

Stalin too had at once spotted the immense possibility of the
UFOs, and as we know, he at once tried to get his astronomer
Korolyov to take charge of all UFO research. (We have published
several articles on Korolyov.)

But of the other leaders - Roosevelt, Churchill, de Gaulle,
*who* was a flier or knew anything about flying? Not one of
them. But "Musso" did. Musso spotted the possible significance.

So, *on the whole*, I do not think this "Fascist Files" business
is a fake. I have no doubt whatever that thousands will
instantly say it *is* a fake, and maybe all the American
ufologists will do that, for the U.S.A. have by now a queer sort
of "monopoly" or a "proprietary relationship" with UFOs, and
with "MJ-12", and "ROSWELL", and all the malarkey that has grown
up around the commercialized "Roswell Story". If Alfredo
Lissoni is telling the truth - and personally I believe he *is*
- then this affair may well come to be seen as delivering a
terrible blow to the entire American idea of their own primacy
and monopoly in these matters, and they won't like it a bit!
Are their noses "going to be put badly out of joint"?

So, is it possible that we shall see a vigorous U.S. attempt to
ignore the newly discovered "Italian Fascist UFO Files" or at
least prove them fakes?

For the fact of the matter, as we all know, (or at least we
small minority of Europeans who never forget what we owe to the
U.S.A., and are very mindful of the fundamental fact that twice
- *in two World Wars* - the U.S.A. bailed all of us Europeans
out and gave us the victory), is that, generous, good-hearted
and dear souls as the vast majority of the American people are,
they simply cannot bear it if they aren't the "top dogs" and
star performers in everything!

Thus it was that when the film-makers in Hollywood came to deal
with the problem of the recovery of Burma from the Japanese,
Errol Flynn had to do the job single-handedly, without the
presence of the British Army. And likewise, when they recently
made a film on the secrets of Bletchley Park and the wonderful
British success over "ENIGMA", *the hero of it all had of course
to be an American*!

Note several other very important points. This material has
only now started to come to light - just 51 years after the end
of World War II. HOW SO?

Well, it seems that as Germany tightened her grip on Italy as
the War progressed, the Germans were able to *command* the
Italians to hand all the evidence over to them! (REMEMBER THE

What then happened seems to have been that one member of the
Secret Italian "MJ-12" failed to comply, and, as Sr. Lissoni
tells us, kept back a part of the material and that this
material, most likely by inheritance, has reached "MR. X", who
has probably "sat on it for years" awaiting a good moment to
launch his bombshell.

Note too that author Lissoni tells us that his *last letter*
from "MR. X" was dated October 9, 1999. That is very recent,
and there might still be more in the pipeline, more to come.


I have now had two long telephonic chats (May 8 and 10) with Dr.
Roberto Pinotti, who, as I emphasise, is recognized as the doyen
of Italy's UFO researchers.

He confirms that it is 100% certain that the "Fascist UFO Files"
are completely genuine, and that he and Alfredo Lissoni have
already started to write their book about it all. *From what
"MR. X" has already said it seems pretty certain that he will be
a very frightened man. I don't think we are going to learn HIS
identity in a hurry*! G.C.

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